7 Valuable Insights You Can Learn About Street Photography From this Garry Winogrand Interview

by Eric Kim on March 6, 2013

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Garry Winogrand is one of my favorite street photographers of all-time. Sure, he hated the term “street photographer” and didn’t call himself one — but his contagious energy, love of the streets, and powerful imagery is what draws a lot of street photographers to him.

In the video above produced by Michael Engler, Winogrand shoots the streets of LA and shares some of his philosophies when it comes to street photography. Watch the video above or read a transcript that I put together below and some of my thoughts on what we as street photographers can learn from him.

1. On inspirations

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“I think the photographers who I feel that I learn the most from—most immediately I feel most responsible to, are Walker Evans and Robert Frank.”

If you want to learn more about Walker Evans and his images, pick up a copy of: “American Photographs.” To learn more about Robert Frank, you can also read an article I wrote: “Timeless Lessons Street Photographers Can Learn from ‘The Americans‘”.

2. On the term: “street photographer”

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I hate the term, I think it’s a stupid term: “street photography”. I don’t think it makes any –It doesn’t tell you anything about the photographer or work, in a way.

You know on the subject, I have a book out called ‘The Animals’. Call me a ‘Zoo photographer’ –- the whole thing doesn’t make any sense to me.”

Garry Winogrand was one of the most prolific “street photographers.” Yet he hated the term “street photography.” If there is one thing we can learn from him is don’t worry whether you are a “street photographer” or not. Just go out there and capture life.

3. What street photographers are responsible for

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“You know photographers are responsible for 2 things: once you put your body where you want it to be:

1) Whats in the frame and
2) When you snap the shutter

That’s what the photographer does. The camera does the rest. You get what the camera saw—in the end. You are responsible for whats inside the frame, whats in the edges, and when the shutter is snapped.”

Know that when you are shooting in the streets, there is so much beyond your control. Yet there is two things (according to Winogrand) you can control. What’s in the frame and when you click the shutter.

So when you see an interesting scene, position yourself in accordance with your subject to make a good frame. And of course, timing is essential– when to hit the shutter to capture “the decisive moment.”

4. What Winogrand looks for when shooting in the streets

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“I try to frame in terms of what I want to include. I don’t think about pictures. When I photograph. I see life. That’s all there is—in my viewfinder. It’s not a picture there, you’re not a picture.”

As street photographers we want to capture memorable street photographs. But at the same time, don’t forget at the end of the day – experiencing life is more important than the photographs.

5. On what kind of photos he wants to make

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“We know too much about how photographs look. Or pictures look. It is the easiest thing in the world. It is natural to make those pictures we know. It’s boring, you don’t learn anything that way. You keep making what you know.

So I try to deal with things — I’ve worked out my own way, I guess, to contend with that problem of being programmed about knowing too much about pictures.”

There are so many cliche and posed photographs out there that we get bored of looking at. Try to take photos that are interesting to you — and unique. Don’t feel obliged to follow the footpath of others– like Winogrand, make it your own way.

6. On how to take “good photos”

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“Well when I’m photographing often enough somebody will come up to me and ask, are you getting good pictures? And I don’t know. I know what I photograph is interesting. I haven’t seen the pictures yet, you know. If uh, well — hopefully the picture will be more interesting when I photograph. I mean, if it isn’t that, it doesn’t work.”

Making “good” street photographs is really hard– and very rare. Even masters such as Winogrand didn’t know if he made a good photograph at the time of. It takes time to let your photos sit and marinate for a long time (Winogrand often would go years without seeing his negatives).

So go out, shoot, work hard, and hope for the best. And don’t forget, when you are editing — be brutal with yourself.

7. On why he photographs on the streets

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“The way I would put it, I get totally out of myself in there– it is the closest I get to not existing, I think. Which is the best. [Laughs]. Which I– to me is attractive.”

To Winogrand, shooting in the streets was able to help him fall into “the zone” or a state of zen. Psychologist Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi described this as getting in the “flow“.

To get into a state of “flow” is to do an activity that is challenging and stimulating enough that you totally lose sense of who you are and what you are doing. It is a state of euphoria and happiness– and nothing else matters.

So once again, don’t worry so much about making great photos all the time. Just go shot in the streets, and have fun– and lose yourself.

Winogrand at the SF MOMA

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If you are in California, make sure to check out the Winogrand exhibition at the SF MOMA from March 9-June 2nd. More info here.

You can see some photos of the exhibition from the SF MOMA Facebook fan page.

See some of the exhibition prints on Vine here.

Pre-order the Winogrand SF MOMA Book

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Click to pre-order book on Amazon. Book is officially released on March 18, 2013.

Don’t miss your chance: Make sure to pick up a copy Winogrand’s retrospective exhibition published by the SF MOMA. There are many images that haven’t been published before! You can pre-order a copy on Amazon here.

To learn more about Garry Winogrand, read my article: “10 Things Garry Winogrand Can Teach You About Street Photography“. Also see more valuable interviews with other street photographers from the documentary on YouTube here

  • Danonino

    ah, he lived in a beautiful time.. I would be happy if someone came up to me and asked if I get any good pictures, but In Sweden its more like “YOU FUCKING PEDOFILE!” (usually when Im NOT shooting kids) “What are you doing?! Did you just take a picture of me you idiot?! IM CALLING THE POLICE!!!” I guess I was just born with the blond blue-eyed terrorist-look or something… Yes, I am bitter.

    • Joakim K E Johansson

      I can’t agree with you. I take street photographs in Sweden and I have never been treated like that. I think it’s really easy to be a street photographer in Sweden. I have also been photographing in Germany, Italy, France, USA, Great Britain, Poland, The Netherlands, Denmark and I have only met a rude person once.

  • Michael Meinhardt

    What a strange individual he was. I wonder if there ever was a person who really understood how Winogrand thought, what he thought, and how he saw the world as a whole, outside of photography. It would be interesting to interview his wife or children or close friends about that.

    I assume that he was either extremely deep intellectually or relatively bland but driven to do one specific thing to the exclusion of everything else, possibly without knowing why.

    I would love to hear his opinions on things like politics, the internet, Facebook. Oh god, I think he might shred us to pieces. :)

  • simbius26

    I have always loved his work, his energy, his thought process, and how ballsy he was, pre ordered the book about 5-6 months ago lol

  • GrandMinnow

    What Winogrand says himself in the film stands a lot better on its own than your piggybacking on him.

    1.”Winogrand [...] shares some of his philosophies when it comes to street photography.”

    Winogrand sagely rejects the notion of ‘street photography’, so it’s hard to imagine that he has a philosophy about it.

    2. “If there is one thing we can learn from him is don’t worry whether you are a “street photographer” or not. Just go out there and capture life.”

    I don’t know of anything Winogrand said that can be fairly paraphrased as “just go out there and capture life,” whatever “capturing life” even means.

    3. “So when you see an interesting scene, position yourself in accordance with your subject to make a good frame.”

    Winogrand didn’t say anything in this clip about positioning to make a “good frame”. Instead, he describes his approach as that of striving to include in the frame that which is interesting and then finding out later, when seeing the picture, whether the photographic result is even more interesting. Saying “position yourself to make a good frame” misses Winogrand’s point pretty much completely.

    4.”don’t forget at the end of the day – experiencing life is more important than the photographs.”

    If you’re not experiencing life then you’re dead of unconscious, so, of course, even to make photographs you have to be experiencing life. That point is not worth belaboring by Winogrand. Probably, though, you mean some other, more profound, sense of “experiencing life”, yet, still, this is not a notion mentioned by Winogrand.

    7. “To Winogrand, shooting in the streets was able to help him fall into “the zone” or a state of zen.”

    Winogrand didn’t say that shooting on the streets, in particular, makes him forget about himself any more than photographing any place else.

    • Verdoux

      This kind of vitriol always amazes me. You don’t know Winogrand any better than Eric does, so why bother with the hate.

      • GrandMinnow

        And it amazes me that a mere criticism of an article is called “vitriol” and “hate”. In my book, explaining one’s disagreements with an article does not constitute “vitriol” or “hate”.

        As to knowing Winogrand:

        (1) Whether or not I know Winogrand better than does Eric Kim doesn’t very much bear on the merits of my remarks about Kim’s article. My remarks stand on their own, regardless of how well I know Winogrand. Indeed, for the most part, my remarks are mostly relative to what Winogrand himself said in the film that Kim cited.

        (2) You don’t have basis to claim that I don’t know Winogrand better than does Kim. You are merely presuming that I don’t know Winogrand better than Kim does. And you are not merely presuming but you are in fact incorrect about it.

        I do not claim that my occasional (but nevertheless fairly substantive) personal and professional association (1980 – ca.1983) with Winogrand and my work in the darkroom (1986 – ca.1988) on the “Figments” project give me special authority; I don’t claim special authority. But I mention it here to highlight that it is indeed a leap in the dark to claim that I don’t know Winogrand better than does Kim.

        Note: I am not interested in recounting on this web site my experiences with Winogrand himself and then with the “Figments” project. If I do decide to post about that, then I’ll choose a suitable place for it. Also, for the record, I am not Jim Herrington, who has previously posted about his own experiences on the project.

  • http://twitter.com/Gazonthestreet Gazonthestreet

    Garry is another one of my favourite street photographers who sadly passed away at a relatively young age, watching the video you can see how he takes his photos close-up by always fidgeting with his camera and looking to the side and beyond the people straight after he takes the picture. This way most of his subjects didn’t realise he was taking their photo!

  • http://twitter.com/TheViewfinderNL The Viewfinder

    Nice article Eric! Really stimulating to do some more street photography.
    Thanks man;) Keep it up.

    The Viewfinder | Kevin van Diest
    http://theviewfinder.nl

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