Bad Street Photographers Copy, Good Street Photographers Steal

by Eric Kim on June 4, 2012

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(Pablo Picasso’s original quote: “Bad artists copy, good artists steal”)

When I first started street photography, I remember doing a ton of google searching on street photography. Of course, the first street photographs I saw were street photography from Henri Cartier-Bresson, Robert Doisneau, Andre Kertesz, and the work of the greats. I also remember seeing a lot of street photography from the guys at in-public, being especially drawn to the work of Matt Stuart, David Gibson, and Jesse Marlow.

I was quite drawn to capturing ”decisive moments”, humorous juxtapositions, and surrealistic images. That was all I was exposed to, and all I knew. I thought that was the only way to shoot street photography, and devoted myself to shooting that style.

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"Three Men" - Eric Kim

I shot in a similar way of working for around two years. I would look for interesting backgrounds, wait for the right person to enter the scene, then try to capture the right person walking past. Either that, or I would always have my camera ready by my side, looking for interesting moments to capture.

However after a while, it got quite boring to me. That way of working started to feel a bit contrived: just wait long enough, and you might capture something interesting.

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"Elegance" - Eric Kim

Therefore I got my ”quarter life street photography crisis” and was in dire need of trying something new. I took my best images from the last two years, and added them to my ”All the World’s a Stage” series to my site. I then turned to YouTube to find some new sources of inspiration.

Around the time I remember seeing Bruce Gilden’s video, and thought to myself, ”Man what an asshole!” I could never imagine flashing someone in the face and taking their photograph from around a meter away. Not only that, but I was curious why he didn’t get punched in the face after a while. However being intrigued by his approach and powerful images, I decided to experiment and try something similar.

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"Like a Boss" - Eric Kim

Around that time, I then had my buddy Rinzi Ruiz record a video of me shooting street photography with a flash in the streets of Hollywood. The video got considerable negative backlash on the internet, and I got tons of feedback people telling me that I was just a ”Bruce gilden wannabe” and that I had no style, and was just copying him. I got lots of other overly negative feedback (and just plain hate) as well. My favorite one was someone saying, ”I’m ashamed to call myself Asian after watching this.”

People say, ”sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me.” That’s a bunch of b.s. For a few weeks after getting all this criticism online, it got to me quite personally. I lost sleep over it and constantly would ask myself questions like, ”Do I really have my own style?”, ”What makes my vision of the world unique?” and ”How do I find my own style without copying others?” Realizing that I hadn’t picked up my camera for a few weeks, I sought the advice of some people in photography I deeply respect and admire their opinions.

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The two most influential things I learned about finding my own style when it comes to street photography were from two of my friends, Bill Reeves and Adam Marelli.

Bill Reeves is an incredibly talented documentary photographer based out of Austin Texas, and has taken courses with Magnum photographers Eli Reed and even has Paulo Pellgrin as his mentor (lucky bastard). Anyways, he told me over the phone, ”Style isn’t something aesthetic”. That phrase jumped out at me, and I sat down and had to think about it for a second. I asked myself, ”Wait, if style isn’t something aesthetic, then what is it?”

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Curious for more answers, I asked my friend Adam Marelli, a street photographer and artist based out of New York city. I asked Adam the same question and his background studying art gave me huge amounts of insight. He told me something along the lines of, ”Whoever says that you develop your own style doesn’t know a thing about history. If you study history, pretty much what happened was that apprentices would study under master painters and tried to copy their style for many years. Once they got to a certain level, they would then be able to find enough variations in their work to either overcome their master or go off in a separate way. This is how apprenticeship worked.”

Hearing what they had to say, I also stumbled upon a quote from Henri Cartier-Bresson who said something like, ”There is no such thing as originality. Only a novel rearrangement of pre-existing ideas.”

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Spain, 1933. Copyright: Henri Cartier Bresson / Magnum Photos.

Pablo Picasso even once said, ”Bad artists copy, good artists steal.”

After hearing and reading all this advice, I sat down and let these ideas marinate in my head. I took away three important things:

  1. Style isn’t something aesthetic
  2. The greatest artists ”copied” their masters before finding their own voice
  3. Originality doesn’t exist

I then worked on breaking down these ideas and tried to apply them to myself.

1. Style isn’t something aesthetic

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Copyright: David Hurn/Magnum Photos

I always thought my ”style” was shooting in black and white, waiting for the decisive moment (when shooting like Henri Cartier-Bresson, or shooting up-close with a flash (like Bruce Gilden). If style wasn’t something aesthetic, it must have been my subject matter.

I read in Magnum photographer David Hurn’s book ”On Being a Photographer” that the photographer is essentially a subject-selector. When shooting on the streets, I would choose certain subjects while ignoring others. What was my decision based on?

Well I studied sociology while a university student at UCLA. I had always been fascinated by human interaction, and started taking photographs as a first year. Therefore combining both interests, my passion for street photography emerged. I had always been interested in themes like socio-economic differences based on class, the unhappiness that wealth can bring us (and the evil of the ”rat race”), the ugly parts of consumerism and capitalism, the effect of technology on our interactions, and the way that globalization is changing the world.

A light then instantly turned on in my head. My ”style” of street photography wasn’t what lens, camera, distance, or medium I used for my photography. It was my interest in sociology and applying that to my photographs. At the end of the day, I wasn’t really a ”street photographer” but a sociologist with a camera as my research tool to analyze, document, and criticize the world around me.

2. The greatest artists ”copied” their masters before finding their own voice

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Garry Winogrand, World’s Fair, New York City, 1964

The concept of ”street photography” is only a phrase coined by art critics, historians, and academics. Most of the famous ”street photographers” don’t even like calling themselves street photographers. Even Garry Winogrand, arguably one of the best of this century said he despised the term.

However the term is important to differentiate ourselves from other types of photographers to masses. Calling yourself a street photographer is easier to describe what you do than calling yourself a landscape photographer.

Therefore if you discover you enjoy taking photos of people in public candidly, it is ”street photography”. Whatever you find on ”street photography” on google is dictated by what images turn up on the top of google images or what websites pop up. That’s why we always think that street photography has to look like the classic work of henri cartier-Bresson and so forth.

However if you look up ”street photography” on Youtube, the first thing you may see is a video of gilden in action. Therefore people in the ”Internet generation” may think that ”street photography” is what gilden does when shooting on the streets.

It is impossible to start street photography or even have a notion of it without having seen the work of others before you. I always think that it’s b.s. when people say that they are never influenced by the work of others. Of course you would have seen amazing images of Alfred Eisenstaedt’s couple kissing in times square, or the lifting of the flag at iwo jima, or the photo of the afghan girl by Steve McCurry without having ever touched a camera.

Most photographers I have met who are quite established always have a similar story of either seeing incredible images when they were young that inspired them to pick up a camera, or by their parents who were also photographers.

Therefore I think that style in street photography is something that we can learn to develop by first studying the work of those who came before us. We learn not only which subjects they chose, but how they framed and composed their photos, and what equipment and approach they had. After all, it is useful to know that Henri Cartier-Bresson used a Leica that is compact and agile, whereas Ansel Adams used a large-format camera that was bulky but captured incredible detail in his landscape work.

Therefore steal all the work that you can. Look at all the images of the famous street photographers that came before you, and look at a lot of the great work from contemporary photographers, and even the work of those online. Be a sponge and absorb all the knowledge and insights as you can, but synthesize everything that you has learned and apply it to your own unique vision of the world.

3. Originality doesn’t exist

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Copyright: Martin Parr / Magnum Photos

The idea that any sort of photography (or art) is ”original” is absolutely absurd. We look at the work of Henri Cartier-Bresson and think it was original. But it wasn’t. His first interest in photography came out of his interest in drawing and painting. He learned drawing from his master, and his master learned from the master before him, who ”copied” the work of renaissance painters, who ”copied” the work of sculptors from the ancient Greeks, and so on.

In David Hurn’s ”On Being a Photographer” book one of the things that he mentioned is the most damaging to an aspiring photographer is to say, ”Don’t do that, it has been done before”. If that aspiring photographer tried to work on a project on food and someone said, ”Oh, martin parr has already done it, don’t do it” think about the effect of that statement.

That aspiring photographer may have never even heard of Martin Parr, therefore his or her images most likely wouldn’t look anything like Martin Parr’s work. Even if the photographer knew the work of Martin Parr, no matter how hard he or she tried, they could never take an image that looked like Martin Parr– as they aren’t Martin Parr. I’m quite certain that even the work of Martin Parr was heavily influenced by the work of others he has seen (Parr collects a massive amount of photo books, memorabilia, postcards, prints, and random things).

You are unique and see the world in a different way. That is the ”lens” you have of the world, and your ”style”.

Conclusion

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In this article I discussed some of my personal experiences in finding my own ”style” when it comes to street photography, and I am discovering new things everyday. My views of the world and feelings of street photography constantly change and evolve, based on the work I see from other photographers, and the people I meet. People say it is contradictory and bad. I see it as being open-minded and positive.

Steal ideas constantly. Read a ton of books, photographs, movies, music, and literature from others. Use the ideas of those who came before you, and synthesize them to create your own unique voice.

Realize that style isn’t something you learn, but rather discover. Your ”style” isn’t something aesthetic, but how you see the world. It is the reason you make the decision to take a photograph of an old couple holding hands on the train, versus shooting a macro shot of a flower (with tons of bokeh).

Take in the criticism and critique from others, but in the end don’t try too hard to please others and everybody you know. First aim to satisfy yourself, and create a body of work which shows how you see the world in a certain way. Work on a long-term project for a year with one camera and one lens and don’t worry too much about being ”original” or about the gear. Constantly experiment, but not so much that you lose focus.

Ask yourself the question, ”How is the way that I see the world different from others?” After all, every photograph you take is a mirror of yourself.

TLDR; style in street photography isn’t something aesthetic, but rather how you see the world and what statement you are trying to say.

Thoughts, opinions, comments about originality and street photography? Which parts of the article do you agree/disagree with? Contribute your ideas in the comments below! 

  • http://www.captureminnesota.com/users/tdoty3 Tdoty2

    “Envy is ignorance, Imitation is Suicide.”  Ralph Waldo Emerson, Self-Reliance Any creative person struggling to find a voice should read or listen to, “Self-Reliance” by Emerson.

  • JCRJr3

    Eric, this is my favorite post I’ve read on your blog so far. I’ve often (frustratingly) felt similarly and have drawn real inspiration from these words. Thanks for being the photographer that you are.

  • Pixelwiese

    Thanks for that great post – well done, Eric! 

  • http://hmmm.stevencaddy.com/ Steve

    Eric, Mike Johnson from The Online Photographer once commented thus (I’ll parraphrase):
    The difference between borrowing and stealing is that stealing means taking something from somebody else and MAKING IT YOUR OWN. That’s the key part of the saying. Good post, and good luck in the journey!

  • Jferebee

    Eric,  I thought you made an very important point.  You said what has been in my mind but I hadn’t been able to verbalize it.  I’m an amateur and like to record moments and things that I want to see again.  If someone else likes them I’m pleased but if not that’s fine too.

  • Keaganoka
    • http://profile.yahoo.com/RE56RGA3WVSIFB7P2EQS5RGF24 alan

      Hah! There you go.

      I agree with Eric Kim’s article. It’s intelligently written backed up with common-sense, experience, and expertise.  

      Frankly I find the quote attributed to Picasso and now to Stravinsky as stupid and defensive; albeit it is true that if a student of art in olden times admired a certain master’s style, he apprenticed (in a sense copied because that was the lesson then) and I believe there were terms and conditions (some of them dealing with money. Hey how do you think older artists in those days survived? Apart from having patrons/patronesses?). I submit that we bury the quote  in a very deep grave. There is no excuse for  stupidity or for having no talent. 

      I’d like to attend an Eric Kim workshop too judging from the testimonials (and because Rinzi would also be part of it); but I’m afraid I can’t afford it. (sigh…hmmm, would Eric perhaps agree to a swap? An artwork of mine for a workshop of his? Eric are you there?)

      Seriously. 

  • Ethan Chiang

    Inspirational post Eric! Thanks for sharing. One typo found

    Quote from Bresson

    “There is such thing as originality. Only a novel rearrangement of pre-existing ideas.”

    I guess it suppose to be “There is NO such thing as originality” :) FYI

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/RE56RGA3WVSIFB7P2EQS5RGF24 alan

      Right Ethan but I think people just chose to ignore it knowing it meant “…NO such…”. 

      But if I may, I’d like to add my two cents worth to all these copying and originality and whatnot…I believe if one know too much – as in being aware of all if not most of the masters’ styles or whatever…one just end up like a drunk with too many different booze fogging his brain while shooting or editing. In the words of those reality singing shows on TV: “Who are you’? 

      Ergo I’d like to suggest a way – Be of no-mind. 

      Cleanse yourself. Be free to be who you are. 

    • http://erickimphotography.com/blog Eric Kim

      Oops will fix this! Thanks Ethan :)

  • Johan

    This is one of your best posts. Thanks for sharing matey. LOVED IT.

    You blog has grown and so has your voice. Good stuff.

    Hope you come back to Kuala Lumpur sometime in the future, got places to show you and gems to uncover.

  • robin wong

    I agree with you Eric when you said it is rather impossible being original, since whatever ideas out there have probably been done before by someone preceding our effort and time. 

    I believe that,  no matter what we shoot, or how we shoot, it is important to be ourselves. Yes we do copy, or apply parts and pieces of other photographer’s work (or art) but when it comes down to our own work, we really have to ask ourselves what we are doing, and what are we trying to say through our photography work. Being true to ourselves will create that unique vision, only you can see the world in that unique vision, and your photographs will tell your unique vision. 
    Style is real, it is the identity of the photography, though I acknowledge it may not be original. However, I also think that style is overrated. Good photography is a lot more than just having a style. Good photographs show who you are, and at the end of the day, you are the one speaking through your photographs, and the world is listening. 

  • Daniel

    Thank you for writing this Eric. I think you have hit right on the mark!

  • Brian S

    Great post Eric…. you have great insight and I am always surprised how many people verbally attack you in some of the other posts. Your clarity around what defines a photographer and photography/art is very helpful in my own journey (remember, that is what it is, not a destination).

  • http://www.alexcoghe.com/ Alex Coghe

    Great “in depth” article, mate. I think that copying is impossible, actually.  If not we would have many more Bresson in the world…definitely watching too much of the work of others we don’t say anything. The result will always be mediocrity.

    • Brian Hawley

      I think I totally agree with you on this Alex.  Perhaps I’ll elaborate for a moment for the sake of the other comment junkies.  And because I feel like typewritting for a moment.  

      As photographers, or even just as people, we all know we can only be in one place at one time, and that things only happen once, and then those events are over.  So the notion of the copy, is something like if I were to ‘think I understand a famous photograph, and then try to force the world to repeat that situation so I could make my own version’.   And I agree the results will be mediocre, not because we didn’t copy it good enough, but because we weren’t ‘following our heart’, so to speak.  There is a difference between taking photos of subjects that interest us/grab our attention/are obviously important…, and trying to emulate the masters so that Other people will think our photos are cool, and compare us to them.  When I study the Masters I’m inspired by their dedication, courage, persistence, and love for photography, more than individual images, because in order to make those famous images, they needed to put their bodies out there in the world – and be working, which is inspiring to me, because they all could have been watching sports, drinking beer, chasing women, working high paying jobs, and so on.  
      I think style in photography comes from editing, and not shooting per se.  I think this because in shooting ‘I have many different styles’, insofar as I approach each subject sort of differently.  Even if I’m working on something specific, I might just take a photo of a banana, just because it pleases me.  And then there is my equipment (lenses, film, flash or not, processing, etc…) which determines a lot of the final product, in terms of how it looks.   And I have enough different gear to make that difference in my photos.  I could make a series of all street portraits, or all sunsets, or all dogs – and Others could easily mistake one of those series as my style as if I only shoot portraits, sunsets, or dogs, but really i’m out there doing it all.   Sort of like how Meyerowitz is ‘best known’ for his large format work, but in reality he did/does quite a lot of street shooting.  I’ve tried to wait around for things to happen in certain places that looked like they could make a funny photo, but really I just prefer to walk, and hope to cross paths with interesting events, people, and places, and try and learn new things about life from the endeavor.  
      The important thing is to enjoy shooting.  And if you are nuts, doing it a lot. http://brianhawley365.wordpress.comp.s.  sorry, I should have just written my own article.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/RE56RGA3WVSIFB7P2EQS5RGF24 alan

        ‘ey I totally agree too. Glad you posted it here anyway or I might not see it if you wrote an article. But do write that article. You presented very good points. Thanks.  

        • Brian Hawley

          thanks.  sometimes i like to make a comment on eric’s blog and leave my web address so i can get loads of hits(!) [i know i'm a loser]  unfortunately on my post my link wasn’t a link.. i’ll try again..

          http://brianhawley365.wordpress.com

      • http://www.alexcoghe.com/ Alex Coghe

         Great article, indeed!!!

        • Brian Hawley

          thanks

  • http://www.facebook.com/nick.kenrick.9 Nick Kenrick

    well researched and written Eric
    with a valuable conclusion
    i love to try out all forms of street photography and mix them up . it keeps my interest up . its a challenge to try new things and at the end of the day it is not to be the next Martin Parr ( add other famous name here ) but to treat the whole thing as a passion and hobby . isn’t that what these famous guys did before they became famous ??

  • Brian Day

    I agree, E, one of your most mature and thought provoking posts. Speaking of sociology, it’s in our nature to desire acceptance. As photographers peering into the genre of street photography today, where it is most accessible through the Internet, and perhaps most pervasive on Flickr, it’s easy to let the most prominent voices (whether that be HCSP or others) silently define what street photography is and isn’t – or what’s “good” and what’s not. It’s not the act of copying a photographic style that’s a crime, it’s the motive – merely doing it for acceptance into certain circles or to conform to what we’re being told is the new way of working. This dovetails nicely into the sociology behind why we share our photos. Anyway, my point is in agreement with you, particularly for the amateur photographer. Shoot everything, copy if you must, and eventually I think the photographer figures out WHY he shoots – as you did. That’s the point where he can begin to find his own voice. Great writing, man.

    • http://erickimphotography.com/blog Eric Kim

      :) Always great to hear from you Brian and thanks again for the never-ending support. See you back in the D soon – looking forward to collaborating more :)

  • Just Wondering

    No matter how well you posture yourself as innovative and cite examples as you learned in school anyone with a qualified eye knows you’re still a neophyte.  That isn’t bad in and of itself.  Offering your opinion, though, as an expert on the subject is highly flawed.

    How on Earth do you copy another street photographer?  5 or 10 or 20 people can shoot the exact same scene and everyone will see it differently…

    Is this your answer to those who say you have little-to-no personal style?

    • Verdoux

       Who pissed in your cereals?

    • http://twitter.com/bahandi Bahandi Gabuna

      So… in other words… you agree with everything Eric said… but are so caught up in yourself that you still had to call him down.

      • Just Wondering

        Indeed.  Eric is probably the best street photographer/teacher to have pretty much shown up in the last 24 months.

        His switch to film is ONLY so that he has something to write about.  I fear he’s running out of material.

    • http://www.steveniphoto.wordpress.com/ steveniphoto

      this was actually a very well thought out and very well written post.
      let me ask you a question: what exactly is YOUR style?
      i bet if you showed me your 10 best images i can find 10 photographers who have done them better.
      this goes back to what the original content of the post is about.

      anything can be copied to an extent.. photography included.

      • Just Wondering

        I’ll be you don’t have a enough of a qualified eye to know in the first place if you follow this guy.

        • http://www.steveniphoto.wordpress.com/ steveniphoto

          its easy to talk big behind a monitor. since you couldnt back up your own words you decide to try and put me down.. how typical. i’m a photography noob myself so maybe you’re right but that doesnt change the fact that i’m not wrong.

        • Mark

          Qualified eye?  Neophyte?  You sound like Chris Weeks!

    • Steve

      It’s very possible to copy someone without even being in the same area as them.
      For instance, I have a friend who idolizes Daido, so he’s bought the same gear as him and shoots in the same way as he does. His pictures are inherently going to be different because he’s not shooting in urban Japan, yet his images will have very similar stylistic similarities – from technique to (Equivalent) subject matter.
      I myself have copied off several photographers (Bresson, Gilden, Koller, Eric himself, Winogrand, Koudelka), either in the way I process my work, the way I shoot it or the subject I’ve shot, but the people I copy have no images like mine simply because I am in different countries and time periods as them.

  • http://twitter.com/SeANMcBAY Sean Magnoni

    Great article, Eric. I agree 100 percent with this.

  • iamdooser

    I have a problem where I don’t like to expose myself to too much…time better spent exploring myself. As such I’ve only seen three videos of street shooting, two of which are your’s and Gilden’s. It never occurred to me that you might be copying him. I like how you interact with people, whereas Gilden seems abrasive.

  • Tim Esche

    Kudos for this article. Not even the haters can touch this.

  • schmiddi

    i have to say that for me there has never been a major difference between street, journalism, art photography. at the end of the day you capture a moment in time and you try to convey meaning. the meaning you want to convey differs across those types of photography but as a photographer (an amateur at that) you can learn from all types. to me the work by james nachtwey has been most impactful and is probably the reason i am taking photos. the documentary about him “war photographer” is probably the one where i learned the most about taking photos. 

    is constant learning important yes. i have to say i am a bit shocked that this seems to come as news. every artist, athlete, anyone who is good at what they do constantly learn … and that means looking at what others do, what the great one have done before. 

    i agree with the copy and steal part to a degree. yes Picasso said it but the reason he is famous is not because he stole but because he stole and then did something new with what he stole. the same is the case with Warhol. he stole but then reinvented. it is only that second element that makes something important. merely stealing and copying will make you better but never great by itself. i write this because i think you are missing that second part … maybe not so much in your photography but in the writing above. 

  • http://blog.inancyimages.com/ Nancy LEhrer

    Nicely said Eric. In my recent workshop with Jay Maisel the question of style came up quite early on the first day with one participant saying something to the effect: “I’m looking to find my style”. Jay had quite a specific reaction that this was the wrong question, the wrong approach. He put it: “Style is an applique”  on top of how you approach the shot. Like the conclusion you draw, I interpreted this as “style” is what you choose to show and how you choose to show it. You use your tools and skills to achieve goal.

    Sometimes I achieve my goal well – this happens two different ways
    1) My vision for the shot is clear and my technique is good enough to get there
    2) It is an accident – usually my tools and technique leading, working an scene long enough to get several “good” shots, and in the edit one stands out and screams “Yes! That’s what I meant”

    Sometimes I don’t achieve my goal
    1) My vision is clear but my technique fails me
    2) My vision is not clear and nothing I can do with technique or persistence can make up

    As I practice, I strive to increase the amount of time I am successful using case 1). But case 2) is also important because when it happens it shows that I am doing something unique and new for me.

  • Brent.

    Hi Eric,

    Three points I came across in my photographic life with some help from Bruce Lee’s philosophy.

    1. When I was in photo school, one of the instructors said, “You are a photographer, not a wedding photographer, not a landscape photographer, not a street photographer, etc, …, you are a photographer.” He point was putting labels on things limits your vision. 

    Bruce Lee writes: “If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Moving, be like water. Still, be like a mirror. Respond like an echo.”

    2. A photographer, (I since forgot his name), said that when one begins his photographic life, he copies what he sees, then if he alters something small or big, in the way he shoots each time out, he will eventually be shooting differently than his original source.

    Bruce Lee writes: “To become different from what we are, we must have awareness of what we are.”

    3. I agree with you point about being a sponge. Learn everything.

    Bruce Lee writes: “The more aware you become, the more you shed from day to day what you have learned so that your mind is always fresh and uncontaminated by previous conditioning.”

    • Jason Tsang

      Bruce Lee wasn’t original either. He merely rearranged various techniques in traditional martial arts into his own. Whilst this isn’t new, he was very offensive about the established traditions. This was before he got all poetic and philosophical. A lot of people think he came up with the philosophical stuff himself. Yet he died a young man. Never really having much interest in books and cultivating wisdom. Bruce was all about winning and his way.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/RE56RGA3WVSIFB7P2EQS5RGF24 alan

        Was Bruce Lee murdered or was it  Karma? Was there really a curse on his family concerning the men folk (his son died from an accidental shooting while they were shooting a scene – a strange juxtaposition if it were a photograph). If Bruce were a photographer would it have mattered if he eventually developed some poetic visions in the course of finding his true photographic self with regards to him just  ”winning and getting his way”?  Your comment just got me wondering Jason.  

  • Eric

    Normally I disagree with you. But this is right on.

    My experience has been that when I attempt to “copy” others, the result is never quite the same… and therefore it is my own. So why worry… just copy and appreciate the organic process of discovering one’s style through experimentation and refinement.

    The spontaneous and fleeting nature of street photography makes it difficult to successfully copy the style of other street photographers. But there are certainly existing strategies that can be employed. For me, “employing a strategy” is very different from copying.

  • http://www.awardsareforlosers.com/ Nathan Amedee

    Some photographers are poets. Why not use this quote? 

    “One of the surest tests of the superiority or inferiority of a poet is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate mature poets steal bad poets deface what they take and good poets make it into something better or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique utterly different than that from which it is torn the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time or alien in language or diverse in interest.” 
    ― T.S. Eliot

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=503394674 Joseph Camosy

    Hi Eric.  I’ve commented on this before, but it bears repeating. 

    Style is how one expresses in ever greater refinement the materialized projections of what for
    them is their “god image” – an exterior expression of an interior condition which is revealed over the course of one’s life.

    I recommend this book to you:  “The Essentials of Style” by Benjamin Sells.  It is THE BOOK on Style.

    Best Wishes,

    Joe
     

    • http://erickimphotography.com/blog Eric Kim

      Cheers Joe – will look into it!

  • KGB

    The real question, if we consider “nothing is original” as you have now come to say Eric is, why are you telling people how to shoot if it’s all been done and said before?
    Why tell people what to do (or not)?
    If “style” is developed, why are you trying to influence people with your blog, as they will (in essence) be learning your “style”, your likes and dislikes, just as this blog post demonstrates.
    Taking a Picasso quote literally “good artists steal”… come on, look at the hundreds of other Picasso quotes floating around, they’re just words, not a mantra on how to live.
    Let people shoot, anything, without the rules you and others try to impose, no matter how you like to look at it Eric, you’re still preaching your way is best.
    “Steal ideas constantly”? No. Use your own mind, your imagination and go and play, if you need to “steal ideas”, you’re not learning, you’re copying, there’s an entire world out there to shoot, there’s never a reason to need to “steal” anything, open your eyes and shoot.
    Stealing ideas…? Lazy.

    • carol

      you feel that you have missed the point of the article entirely…

    • Malia

      KGB, I think you missed the main idea.

    • Tom

      You said “if you need to ‘steal ideas’, you’re not learning, you’re copying”.
      Think about it again… How do we learn almoast all things? By copying! You learned to walk by watching your parents do it, an copy that, or to write, by copyind the letters your teacher wrote. I guess there is a missunderstanding amongst a lot of “artists” about how we learn. Copying is not a bad thing, it’s the key to learning.

  • http://twitter.com/SpikeHK SpikeHK

    Let me add my voice to the group of people who love this post.  I found it honest and informative reading about your thought process and learning process.  I hope there are many more posts in the future along these lines.  

  • Stepix

    Thanks for this very interesting article Eric. I have been shooting “street” for only 8 months now (after having stumble upon your blog btw) but realized that I have been trying to find or I’d rather say “create” my own style since the beginning. Trying to copy or “steal” masters, read tons of books or spending hours on the internet is indeed very instructive and inspiring but I recently figured out that I can notice some improvement in my work since I don’t try to find my own style anymore but simply try to take pictures. Not thinking about doing “nice” photographies or wait or provoque a situation to get a photo that looks like HCB’s one allowed me to break free. I now feel free to shoot whatever I want the way I want simply following my soul. Surprisingly I now feel that I am constructing my style naturally. If you are interested by having a look at my work http://pix.stepag.com please check. Cheers!

  • Pete

    I think some people have missed the main point of copy/steal.  What he meant was if you just keep copying, then you are being lazy, you need to work at it, so that you make it your own, to the point that know one knows what your source was…. at that point you have stolen, you have gotten away with it, and no one knows what your source was… and that takes hard work.

  • Tan Eng Han

    In a recent interview with HCB, he seemed annoyed and impatient when the interview said that HCB is a photographer, he corrected the interviewer that “I am not a photographer, just a person with a camera”.   I think the point of “liberation” is when an aspiring photographer “stop aspiring to be a photographer” and start thinking of “his vision” and how he want to communicate his vision.

  • http://amarques1966.wordpress.com/ António Marques

    Deeply introspective, Kim. Thanks for sharing.
    I think style cannot really be “found”, instead it finds those who persevere in the search for what they feel is important to capture.

  • Rayluther

    Great post Eric. Well stated, argued and presented.

  • http://www.yomadic.com/ Nate Robert

    Yo Eric! Hows my favourite Chinese photographer? ;)

    Regarding originality, I always remember this quote by the American artist Mark Ryden. When he was asked if had ever painted anything original, he replied: “When I painted Abraham Lincoln lying on the ground giving birth from his cheek to the baby Venus delivered by Colonel Sanders I thought that was pretty original.” 

    So maybe, there is still some originality to be found. Ryden may very well be seen by future generations as important an artist as Picasso is in the current day.

    Interesting, right?

  • http://susancarrollseger.blogspot.com/ Susan Carroll-Seger

    I love that you are so insightful and have a clear style of stating you point.   Great article.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=670539645 Chalon-Fitness Msmc

    One of your best write ups Eric! Thanks so much!

  • Sciandra

    This is a great post.

    I appreciate & respect how you put yourself out there, spilling your
    guts out on the table. You’re positive and non-judgmental.  I know I am
    benefiting from all your energy and gumption.

    Thank you.

  • http://www.flickr.com/sailwings Xiaofan Luo

    This is the most inspirational article on photography I have read for a long time.  Keep up Eric!

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YL7YGFPMQ27ZKXLM3I373R7MRI Xin

    Ey are you from chinese right?. Maybe from Beijing. I was living in Beijing 2 Years.  And the chinese people are really animals. animals uncivilized, bad education, ignorants. You should not go to civilized countries. You have no education to visit or live in them.

  • Mannock

    The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. – Ecclesiastes 1:9

    if we didn’t take from the best we’d be nowhere.

  • http://twitter.com/tainkeh Christian Hammer

    Great article, but Picasso actually said “GOOD artists copy, GREAT artists steal”. Important difference between the two. :)

  • Mr.Bluesky

    Great article man, this really is the answer I’ve been looking for!

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  • saveoursmile

    definitely a mustread for every wanna-be photographers out there

  • http://www.facebook.com/mmanastireanu Marius Manastireanu

    Great article Erick!

  • http://www.facebook.com/sarah.stratton.33 Sarah Stratton

    THUMBS UP!! Im not afraid to say i need all the help i can get with this and with getting over my fear of taking street photography, i have downloaded the e-book off this site, so far has helped ALOT! thank you !

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